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The Cost Of Buying An HDTV In Argentina

August 11th, 2009 | Categoría: Economics, Technology

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Sony TVFor better or worse, Argentina has never been a good place to buy electronic items.

Shoppers, bargain hunters and antique collectors always find much to love about Argentina’s quality leather items, arts and crafts, jewelry, and outstanding services such as tango lessons and music classes, among other things.

But if you happen to want something, say, like a big HDTV, you’re out of luck.

For decades successive Argentine governments have stymied imports and heavily taxed novel or hi-end consumer goods like cutting-edge TVs based on the supposition that doing so will a) raise revenue and b) induce manufacturers to produce such items here instead of in Brazil, China or South Korea.

Such policies have had limited success, inspiring some companies to assemble similar items here. But for the most part, the effort to keep hi-end products out has done just that. It has kept Argentina’s lower and middle-class families from easily accessing the kind of hi-tech products that have become common in the U.S., Europe and Asia.

In this sense, Argentina has fallen well behind the curve.

Argentina has been debating for more than a decade what kind of digital television standard to adopt. While it’s twiddled it’s thumbs, digital TV and HDTV have become common in developed countries, allowing residents there to take full advantage of the latest developments.

Only the wealthiest Argentines are able to circumvent the limits that prevent most middle class consumers from getting the latest TVs, computers, video cameras or GPS units.

Now, Congress is considering increasing taxes on such items – in yet another bid to spur local production and discourage imports.

Economists familiar with concepts such as “loss-aversion” know that raising prices, even by just a little, and even on cheap items like eggs, can cause disproportionate and unexpected reactions from consumers. Indeed, while most people think that raising or cutting prices by just a little leads consumers to either buy just a little more or less, they’d be surprised to learn that, in some cases, raising prices by just a little can lead consumers to radically reduce consumption.

The authors of Sway: The Irresistible Pull of Irrational Behavior described this idea succinctly in their bestselling book:

“Now, traditional economic theory holds that people should react to price fluctuations with equal intensity whether the price moves up or down. If the price goes down a bit, we buy a little more. If the price goes up a bit, we buy a little less. In other words, economists wouldn’t expect people to be more sensitive to price increases than to price decreases. But what (researcher Daniel) Putler found was that shoppers completely overreacted when prices rose.

It turns out that, when it comes to price increases, egg buyers are a sensitive bunch. If you reduce the price of eggs, consumers buy a little more. But when the price of eggs rises, they cut back their consumption by two and a half times.

Anyone who’s made a shopping list with a budget in mind can tell you how this plays out. If the price drops, we’re mildly pleased. But if we see that the price has gone up since last week, we get an oh no feeling in the pit of our stomachs and decide it’s cereal for breakfast that week instead of scrambled eggs. This feeling of dread over a price increase is disproportionate–or asymmetric–to the satisfaction we feel when we get a good deal.”

Of course, there’s a lot more research on consumer behavior and the psychology behind it. And price changes don’t affect all products and services in the same way. Nor do they affect all consumers equally. Moreover, it’s unclear how Argentines, who are unusually accustomed to inflation, might react differently to prices hikes than would, say, egg buyers in California.

Still, even this short look at the issue makes you wonder how much thought the government has given to the topic, especially given that tech products are already more expensive in Argentina than almost anywhere else in the Americas.

While Argentine electronics showrooms still display old-school tube-style TVs, such anachronistic electronic artifacts (which often consume more energy) are scarcely to be found these days in similar stores in developed countries.

For tech geeks and early adapters, of which there are many in Argentina, the government’s reticence to facilitate imports has merely driven prices up and made such items hard to acquire. It’s also increased prices for poorer Argentines, who are perhaps most in need of access to essential educational tools such as modern desktop computers.

Walk into any major electronics store today and chances are that the salesmen will tell you that they have little to offer because “everything is stuck in customs.”

It could be argued that some of these limits are both inspired by, and are a derivative of, Argentina’s decision not to emulate the kind of over-zealous consumer culture that has put so many U.S. citizens in heavy debt. But that’s really not the real motivation behind the limits on imports.

Meanwhile, there’s at least some sense in which the resistance to technology has helped sustain Argentina’s exceptionally admirable social culture. Almost no living-room in a typical U.S. home lacks a major television in the middle of it.

Social activity in the U.S. all too often revolves around the TV. But in Argentina, few families have succumbed to the devilish temptation to make a big-screen TV the centerpiece of family gatherings and social events.

Even so, it’s striking to compare the costs of products like HDTVs here and abroad.

Take the new Sony BRAVIA Edge LED 40″ HDTV (pictured above), for example.

In Argentina the TV costs 26,999 pesos, or about US $7,050. The same Sony Style store in the U.S. sells the same TV for US $2,999, plus tax (which varies by state). Meanwhile, the TV can be found online (and tax-free) in the U.S. for as little as US $2,095 (and that’s delivered free to your doorstep).

In other words, in Argentina the exact same product costs anywhere from 120% to 237% more than in the U.S. That means it would be cheaper to fly to Miami, buy the TV, fly back to Argentina, and pay full over-sized baggage fees and full airport customs taxes, than it would be to buy the TV in Buenos Aires.

Look at the costs:

OPTION 1: Buy Sony TV in Buenos Aires
Cost: TV US $7,050 (21% VAT and a local warranty included)
Total Cost: US $7,050

OPTION 2: Fly to Miami, buy Sony TV, return to Buenos Aires
Costs: (assuming the most expensive U.S. option)
R/T Airline ticket BA/Miami: US $1,000
TV: US $2,999 (no local warranty)
Taxes: (In Miami: 7%) US $209.93
Typical airline baggage fee for over-sized item like an HDTV: US $200
Customs taxes at EZEIZA airport (50% of the purchase value): US $1604.46
Total Cost: US $6,013.39

So even if you fly to the U.S., and pay all the relevant taxes, fees and customs duties, you’d still save more than US $1,000 by buying the TV in the U.S. than by purchasing it in Belgrano.

Of course, if you wanted to, while in Miami you could rent a car and visit Orlando, spend a few days at Disney World, then fly back to Argentina, and still pay less than it would cost to buy the TV in Buenos Aires.

And that’s at current Argentine prices, which likely will rise if Argentina’s Senate passes a bill already approved by the Lower House to raise taxes on imports and double the VAT on items produced in all provinces except Tierra del Fuego.

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DiegoNo Gravatar says:

Buenísimo, Taos. No se me había ocurrido esa comparación. Y yo encima tengo que viajar por trabajo sin gastar en pasajes, asi que me puedo traer una tele de 40′ por nada. Eso sí, tiemblo pensando en los despachantes de Ezeiza!!!

saludos,
d

taosNo Gravatar says:

Gracias, Diego!
Did you ever see that United video on YouTube, where the musician complains about United breaking his guitar? It’s fantastic, but also a reminder that traveling with a TV could be risky in that sense!

Un abrazo

QuickrouteNo Gravatar says:

and if you purchase a less bulky item like a multimedia video projector you can just take it in your carry on luggage and avoid the customs duty at EZE by just flashing your non ARG passport – ssshhhhh! ;-)

In mercadolibre.com there is a Sony Bravia “New Model” 40´ for 9.000 pesos.
Means you can still get a deal here…
saludos Taos!

Fernando
Source: http://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/MLA-57034304-lcd-sony-bravia-40-klv-40v410a-nuevo-modelo-garantia-factura-_JM

taosNo Gravatar says:

Hey Fernando!
Long time no see.
Thanks for your comment.
Often Mercadolibre does have much better deals than do regular stores.
In this case, though, the Sony model in question is a different one than that one mentioned in this post. It actually sells for as low as US $800 in the U.S., or around 3,064 pesos. So while it’s cheaper than that model I mentioned, it’s not exactly a deal, per se, at least not compared with the U.S. The more expensive one is the latest LED model.
Saludos amigo!

Anonymous says:

since when do “lower and middle-class” families buy high def tv’s? they don’t even do so in the USA where these products are much cheaper. by the way, hdtv’s are horrible and digital tv is a big failure in the US. why can’t these be produced in argentina or mercosur instead of just importing?

taosNo Gravatar says:

Anonymous,

Why the anonymity? You’ve asked a reasonable question. That said, I see the facts differently.

In the U.S., lower and middle class families have bought a disproportionately high percentage of HDTVs, unwisely, perhaps, and in many cases financed them with credit cards that they can’t really afford. This is a bit less true of the middle class but true nevertheless.

Buying an HDTV in the U.S. is not always a major expense. At Walmart or Costco you can get HDTVs for much less than the expensive example I gave here with the Sony LED.

As for Argentines, I’m not sure you interpreted the post properly. Indeed, I said clearly that Argentina’s high prices and related high taxes often prevent the lower and middle class from acquiring hi-end items:

“Such policies have had limited success, inspiring some companies to assemble similar items here. But for the most part, the effort to keep hi-end products out has done just that. It has kept Argentina’s lower and middle-class families from easily accessing the kind of hi-tech products that have become common in the U.S., Europe and Asia.”

So I’m not quite sure what your point is, because we seem to be saying the same thing.

As for the quality of HDTVs, that depends on how you use them. In general, most newer HDTVs are incomparably better than standard definition sets. But to see the benefits you have to 1) have an HDTV cable signal; 2) use a Blu-Ray or other HD source; and 3) be able to appreciate the visual difference. I have some friends who simply cannot tell the difference. It may be a lack of visual acuity or simply a completely lack of preference for some other reason. But I don’t see any objective reason to say that the quality of HDTVs is worse. It just isn’t true. I’m compared them side-by-side in my own house and have found the difference to be significant. Meanwhile, countless consumer research tests have been showing that people prefer HDTVs over SD versions. That said, in some cases notably older people often can’t tell the difference. I bought my folks and HDTV, and got them an HDTV signal, but they just can’t tell the difference.

HDTVs only look bad if they’re poorly made (read: cheap, no-name brands whose quality standards barely exist) or if they’re playing SD sources, and even then many newer HDTVs can be made to compensate for differing kinds of input signals and can adjust their displays accordingly.

Digital TV has numerous advantages. I’m not sure why you’d say it’s a failure in the U.S. If you could be more precise and provide specific reasons, it would help me to see your point better.

Finally, I’m all for producing HDTVs and other hi-end products here. And I think most economists would fully encourage the government to pursue policies that would encourage this. But the best way to do this is to create a solid market for manufacturers and their products.

To do this, you need stable and predictable macroeconomic policies that encourage investment. The small scale of Argentina’s market, along with it’s changing and unpredictable laws and tax policies, discourages such investment on a large scale.

Improving those areas would do much more to attract manufacturers than would simply raising import taxes. This latter option is more like a band-aid solution to healing a major injury. It may look good on the outside but it’s healing power is limited.

Saludos

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KevinNo Gravatar says:

Very interesting your comparison and very true but you left out an important issue. Do not plan to bring a large screen tv through customs as baggage unless you want to risk the customs nightmare (if they choose to) They can advise you that your product is not permitted to enter under the tourist o normal luggage provisions and is therefore going to be transfered to the inbond airport wharehouse for clearing with a proper customs agent. You will then (if you are extremely efficient, prepared and ready) probably have to pay just three days of wharehousing fees at exhorbanant rates..the minimum brokerage fees and taxes and above that duty on the item plus duty on the estimated freight (if THEY choose) and they can also add a penalty for bringing in items incorrectly. God gorbid you forgot to remove the 110 volt power chord before shipment which is a whole other major infraction when imorting legally. I have had a HP Server sit un customs 6 months with a bank as the importer because they sent the server with 110 power chord and without the special letter that all electronic devices require from argentine customs which is different than any where else in th world..Yes it can be done yes you can get lucky ..and sometimes you can just “FIX” it on the spot …but be at least aware that it can go very very wrong. Their customs sistem and tariffs are hugely unfair and their customs accompanies this process to the best of their ability.

taosNo Gravatar says:

Hi Kevin,

Very interesting commentary. Many thanks for sharing this. Did you bring in your server as baggage through EZE? I know a lot of people who’ve brought in a lot of relatively big-ticket items but I’ve never heard of any trouble like this. The only hassle I know if is the customs tax, which, while ridiculously high, is the law.

I’ll check into this and see what other potential obstacles there might be.

Saludos

kevinNo Gravatar says:

no the server was brought in officially but had the wrong power chord so it was moved to storage and the importer was fined and the paperwork was a nightmare and it took 6 months to clear. Nevertheless I have been advised that certain high ticket items like widescreen lcd or plasmas and computers are subject to you being forced at the airport to arrange a formal entry. I can also state on the other side that I once walked a entire paraplane (cart, engine, and paraplane wing) right through customs in under three minutes with nothing prearranged but that was another time and is another story

CeeNo Gravatar says:

We seldom buy electronics in Argentina, due to their ridiculous prices. All of our laptops, cameras, recorders, etc were bought abroad (even our mobiles). My dad even bought a simple projector in NY and was able to walk through customs and no one stopped him (we are not foreigners, so we are not “protected” by our passports). My MacBook Pro cost me under 2000 dollars in NY and the same computer fetches an eye watering 15000 pesos in Argentina (and this was a year ago, I bet inflation must have altered that number).

We do have HD TVs and we had to buy them here and I don’t even know if it was worth the price seeing as DirecTV only has a couple of HD channels.

This kind of policy clearly does not work. If you have an acquaintance going abroad you give them the money and they bring you the object, simple as that (unless, as you’ve stated, you’re trying to illegally enter a big object… and if that happens, they will ask for a coima even if you are willing to pay the tax).

Posteador Anonimo says:

Anonymous: In this site they do not like anonymous comments. they think that if yoou write a nick name or a real name makes a lot of difference to them. For me is the same: behind a post written by a nick name or a name or an anonymous’s there is a person writting with an opinion. It is not a robot is a human been anyways. no difference at all. But they prefer your name like Bruce, Linda or whatever as if it means a lot at the time of reading the content of what you post.

What do they want? your drivers license? your DNI? your picture? it is ridiculous to me. There are thousands of internet communities that every day discusses all sorts of issues and they dont care about your name. they care more about what you have to say.

but here if you have an opinion and is posted anonymously you are told “why the anonymity?”

I say: because it does not matter who I am what it really matters is what I am saying.

taosNo Gravatar says:

Hey Posteador Anonimo,

Thanks for your comment. You make an interesting point. I can appreciate what you’re saying about the content of a person’s remarks mattering more than their name. That’s valid. And as a student of logic, I’m certainly familiar with the genetic fallacy and its implications here.

This is one reason why I allow anonymous comments. Moreover, I don’t require people to register their email address to comment, while the vast majority of other sites do.

That said, it can be valuable and worthwhile to some people, including me, to develop an open network or community in which people share their views and debate ideas and, perhaps, possibly even develop friendships, virtual or otherwise. But doing this requires more than anonymity.

I’ve made some good friends through this site, which is something I never expected when I started it. Openness helps foster trust, which, at the end of the day, is the basis of any kind of sustained relationship or learning environment. Of course, not everyone seeks this, and that’s perfectly fine. After all, this blog can be just another site. Or, if you want, the site can more than that. It depends on what you want out of it. I typically get 10-30 emails a day from readers, most of which I try to answer. Some of these lead to really interesting conversations. For these readers, this site can be an entrance point to something that’s more than just another blog.

But the most important reason it makes sense to post a name, or simply a nickname, is that it helps readers to follow arguments and the way they play out. It can be hard for people to respond to an anonymous person’s argument when there are multiple “anonymous” comments making different points. Because of this, I prefer names, even if they’re fake or just “screen-names,” because having them helps me follow arguments and makes it easier to reply directly to them.

Some people just want to share an opinion – anonymously – and that’s fine. But if you want me or others to be able to reply directly to your opinion – and not mistake it for that of another anonymous commentator – then you should leave at least some kind of unique name. You did this with your “Posteador” comment, and it’s useful.

Hopefully my comments here will help you see that the preference for names is not “ridiculous” but rather practical and serves a purpose.

Finally, if you want to get logical about it, there are actually some occasions in which it can matter who people are. If President Cristina Fernández says “Argentina has no future,” it will have very different connotations than if, say, a disgruntled tourist says this. The statement is the same – and may be true or false – but the repercussions from it would be strikingly different.

Thanks again.

Anonymous says:

Thanks.

Do not worry, I am not Cristina Fernandez. I know you think she is totally prideful and arrogant although, for some strange reason, you would humbly love to write her speeches.

/joke

Anyway, it is true that having a nick name is convenient to follow the discussion. I agree with that. What I really dont like is when people start to erase my comments because they don’t agree with me or I dont agree with them. I do not agree with you in most of your opinions. So far the only thing I like about you is that you speak and write in Spanish very well which is a rareza total viniendo de un estadounidense living in Argentina.

And even though I dont like your perspective when you give your opinion about us, I respect that so much.

Once I read an article you wrote in Spanish and I read also an Argentinian writer saying that we had to excuse your Spanish was not so good. Man! I hated that comment. How could he dare to say such a thing! It was not true, totally false and based in jelousy. IMHO.

The other thing I like about you is that you do not erase the comments you dont agree with.

but, dont get too excited

Cheers!

Anonymous says:

The price of red meat in the USA is ridiculous. I buy in Argentina good lomo and take it home. I know a coima would not fix it if caught but is worthy!

same logic

I flew with a TV set as checked baggage form US to Argentina back in the 90s. Bad idea, went through customs OK, but when I opened the carefully packed box at my house in Bs As the thing had exploded into pieces!

Cris

rodbuxNo Gravatar says:

Buen informe papa!
Cada vez estamos mas lejos del mundo
si seguimos asi un mouse nos va a parecer caro

chao

CandomanNo Gravatar says:

Hello there,

Very insightful article! Im from California, but have been living in BsAs for about 2 years. Im back in California visiting, but am heading back to BsAs in a few weeks. While I was here, I sold my old laptop, bought a new one, and also bought a new macbook pro for an Argentine friend of mine.

I was kind of worried about how I was going to bring back two new laptops to Argentina without getting into any trouble. I wanted to keep the macbook in its original box and everything, but maybe thats not such a good idea. What do u think if i put both laptops in my carry on laptop bag and put the box in my check in and fill it with clothes, peanut butter, etc? Do u think they would ask my why i have two laptops? I remember when I left to go back to Cali, they asked me to turn on my old laptop, just before boarding. Random

Anyways, thanks for any advice you can provide. Still trying to sort out how im going to bring the new macbook pro back. Much appreciated!

Buenas vibras

ScottNo Gravatar says:

How did that work out? Where you able to bring two laptops?

mondayNo Gravatar says:

lets hope amazon.com or similar retailers will begin to ship internationally!

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